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June 02, 2025, 06:19:18 PM
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So I am confused to what is happening. I was moving btc to a new wallet but haven't used armory in a long time. I sent some a small amount btc/sats and get a warning about low transaction fee even though I checked the current sat/vb on mempool seems armory thinks I should be sending at least 200 sat/byte current rate is around 4sat/vb. Anyway the btc was successfully sent.

My issue is with that transaction another output is produced the one to the wallet is segwit (P2WPKH) and another Standard (PKH) which is about 10x the original btc amount sent to the wallet is now a unconfirmed transaction. Why is this happening? Can I clear it? I was thinking using help > clear all unconfirmed.

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June 02, 2025, 07:53:20 PM
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My issue is with that transaction another output is produced the one to the wallet is segwit (P2WPKH) and another Standard (PKH) which is about 10x the original btc amount sent to the wallet is now a unconfirmed transaction.
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The recipient address must be P2WPKH, and the other TX you see is the remaining balance of the chosen UTXO sent back to a change address, which is probably the standard legacy PKH address.

10x back to change address because the default setting chose a larger UTXO, so it is Input UTXO = Sent Amount + Change + Fee, which is irrelevant why the TX is unconfirmed. And yes, it is due to the low fee but not that low, since your TX will be included in the block if


So wait for a while, and everything will be okay soon.

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Why is this happening? Can I clear it? I was thinking using help > clear all unconfirmed.
This won't cancel the transaction because technically you can't cancel a bitcoin TX once it's broadcasted, what you can do is RBF but it is not necessary IMO and clear all unconfirmed, it will just clear the unconfirmed TX from history, resulting in wrong balance.

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June 02, 2025, 08:41:50 PM
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Thanks for the response. The sats I sent did reached the wallet I intended and confirmed.  Accompanying UTXO different address the unconfirmed is now I look at it 100x my original amount sent to the wallet . Armory says it is unconfirmed but its been this way since the beginning of May. I feel like I won't get it back now. I still don't know how it could send 100x the amount I was sending to the wallet.
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June 03, 2025, 04:47:49 AM
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My issue is with that transaction another output is produced the one to the wallet is segwit (P2WPKH) and another Standard (PKH) which is about 10x the original btc amount sent to the wallet is now a unconfirmed transaction. Why is this happening? Can I clear it? I was thinking using help > clear all unconfirmed.
-snip- I feel like I won't get it back now. I still don't know how it could send 100x the amount I was sending to the wallet.
Perhaps the "change address" in Findingnemo's reply isn't familiar to you?
That's the same in cash basis payment, e.g.: if you pay a store with $10 bill and you're paying for a $1 item, the shop will give your $9 back.

Now, to check it, go to your wallet's change address list:
Click the wallet name in 'Available Wallets',  then click: "Wallet Properties".
Expand "Change Addresses" then "P2PKH" and check if that output matches one of your change address.

I was also thinking of missed "mBTC" and "BTC" units of the sender and recipient wallets but that would be 1000x the amount instead.

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June 03, 2025, 01:03:37 PM
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Thanks for the response. The sats I sent did reached the wallet I intended and confirmed.  Accompanying UTXO different address the unconfirmed is now I look at it 100x my original amount sent to the wallet . Armory says it is unconfirmed but its been this way since the beginning of May. I feel like I won't get it back now. I still don't know how it could send 100x the amount I was sending to the wallet.
So what you are talking about is a different UTXO, not the one which that is used for your later one, because you said it is confirmed, so it is only possible if the parent TX is confirmed.

Can you share the TXid of the TX that you are saying, which is unconfirmed since May?

And the concept of change address is mentioned in more simpler way above by @nc50lc

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June 03, 2025, 01:46:02 PM
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okay thanks for the explanation. I appreciate the help. So in my wallet properties under change addresses P2PKH I have two change addresses. one that appears in my sparrow wallet the wallet I was sending to as a change address and one that appears as the output from armory. I can find the both in the mempool. Both addresses flagged in armory as  rbf flagged. I guess my question is how to I get my change from my pocket back into my spendable wallet to use the analogy. 

What I wanted to do as my ultimate goal was to move my sats to a different wallet.

I did another test without sending any sats so here is what I've been doing. I click on send bitcoin add my receiving address and amount for this one 0.001 btc its sat size 254b fee 0.0000508 (20.00 sat/b) enable rfb checked When I preview transaction two outputs a change address standard PKH 0.1357 btc
and segwit P2WPKH to the receiving wallet 0.001. So why so much on the change address? Why $100 bill for a fraction of a cent?
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June 03, 2025, 04:05:31 PM
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Both addresses flagged in armory as  rbf flagged. I guess my question is how to I get my change from my pocket back into my spendable wallet to use the analogy.  
RBF means your wallet allows you to replace the fee with a higher one also the output address if needed. Technically you can create as much change addresses as you want so what you see is just picked by default algorithm.

What I wanted to do as my ultimate goal was to move my sats to a different wallet.
I did another test without sending any sats so here is what I've been doing. I click on send bitcoin add my receiving address and amount for this one 0.001 btc its sat size 254b fee 0.0000508 (20.00 sat/b) enable rfb checked When I preview transaction two outputs a change address standard PKH 0.1357 btc
and segwit P2WPKH to the receiving wallet 0.001. So why so much on the change address? Why $100 bill for a fraction of a cent?

If I am not wrong, the default UTXO selection will be starting from bigger ones to the smaller ones, so if your wallet has 2 UTXOs of  0.1BTC and 0.5BTC, the bigger one will be picked.

But you always have the option to use coin control, which is nothing but letting you to select which UTXOs you want to use for the TX.

FYI, Bitcoin TX size is based on the number of inputs, outputs, and address format, not the BTC value. So if you are worrying that you might be paying more in fee because the bigger denomination is used then it's not the case.

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June 03, 2025, 06:41:51 PM
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Okay thanks very much for your help. Is there any way to get the unspent utxo back into the spendable funds? They are just kind of in limbo at the moment
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June 03, 2025, 07:42:06 PM
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Is there any way to get the unspent utxo back into the spendable funds? They are just kind of in limbo at the moment

You mean the unconfirmed UTXO?

You can do CPFP (Child Pays for Parent), which allows you to bump the fee from the receiving end and get the TX to be confirmed faster if the used fee is lower by the sender.

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June 03, 2025, 11:24:43 PM
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Is there any way to do that in armory? If I right click on the transaction tab to bum fees and select bump fee from the menu just get a blank screen with my wallet ID. Thanks
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-snip- So why so much on the change address? Why $100 bill for a fraction of a cent?
This is when you need to research how Bitcoin transactions work, at least the basics and minimum technical info about "UTXO Model" should do.

Start with these articles:

-snip-  I guess my question is how to I get my change from my pocket back into my spendable wallet to use the analogy.
It should be spendable in Armory once your transaction gets confirmed. (6+ confirmations)
It's been a day and mempools are almost empty, even if it has 1sat/vB fee rate, it should be confirmed by now. (search Blockexplorers if it's still unconfirmed)

If you still can't spend it even if it's confirmed and it's displaying the balance under "Unconfirmed", your Armory might not be synced properly.
In that case, use: "Help->Rescan Balance", then restart Armory to rescan your Armory's database.

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Is there any way to do that in armory? If I right click on the transaction tab to bum fees and select bump fee from the menu just get a blank screen with my wallet ID. Thanks

1. Check the txhash in a block explorer, if it cannot find it, your tx is probably evicted from mempools across the network.
2. You can now delete Armory's mempool and restart it.
3. At this point you can respend the coins as if they never moved.

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Checked the TXout hash  and it links to an old transaction ID from my wallet from 2014
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Checked the TXout hash  and it links to an old transaction ID from my wallet from 2014
Goatpig meant the "TXID" of the transaction that you recently created.

Right-click on the unconfirmed transaction and select "Copy Transaction ID", then search if it's existing on any reputable blockexplorer.
That's a good indication (but not a solid basis) that a transaction propagated to the network or not.

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Ah okay I do appreciate the help
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Okay to keep you updated it looks like my issues were simply down to the wallet being desynced. Although it was green and said connected I noticed seemed like the blocks weren't ticking up. I checked with my umbrel node and indeed the blocks were out of sync. So I rescanned my balance but that caused my building database to bugout at 45%. So I went the nuclear option deleted everything and recovered the wallet from paper back up. So looks like spendable balance is shown correctly now and blocks are synced. unconfirmed is cleared. Its been interesting learning curve on how transactions are made and go in the mem pool if anything.

Thanks for all the help.
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June 05, 2025, 04:33:47 PM
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So I went the nuclear option deleted everything and recovered the wallet from paper back up. So looks like spendable balance is shown correctly now and blocks are synced. unconfirmed is cleared. Its been interesting learning curve on how transactions are made and go in the mem pool if anything.

Thanks for all the help.
Good to know that you got it sorted out, it is a learning process that everyone must undergo which may look tedious process but at the end it's just simple as that.

In the future, if you have a similar problem,s just copy the btc address where you feel the balance is onto any of the blockchain explorers listed below to find out the actual confirmed balance left in there.

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